AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

It’s been two years since AMD’s Ryzen product line was launched to patrons and to this point the merchandise outfitted appear to be accurately obtained by prospects. AMD launched an increase of cores and threads from the HEDT lineup right correct all the best way right down to the mainstream shopper. Prospects noticed – not solely as a consequence of AMD’s options nonetheless the reality that Intel added cores to every the Core i7-8700Okay and Core i9-9900Okay. It made the case for upgrading earlier older AMD or Intel processors as accurately, encouraging prospects to embrace DDR4 memory and even sooner NVMe SSDs that run on an m.2 socket with out having the perfect of the product line. In short – it’s been an superior market for patrons over the earlier two years, and the roadmap confirmed extra to return as soon as extra with Zen 2.

Every at CES and ahead of E3 we had been instructed {{{{that a}}}} new interval of Ryzen was coming. And on condition that occasion in Los Angeles, there have been many questions on the model new interval of Ryzen. What is going on on to extra cores convey to prospects? Do people actually revenue from these? How about overclocking? And what, if any, change will this convey to the market earlier the model new interval of Ryzen? Simply a few of these may be best answered when the Ryzen 9 3950X arrives in September, nonetheless we’ll start how the 8-core, 16-thread 3700X compares to its two older siblings, and by the use of the model new 12-core, 24-thread Ryzen 9 3900X we’ll start to understand what the higher core counts might level out for patrons.

Observe: The Ryzen 7 3700X, Ryzen 9 3900X and utterly completely completely different processors/components used on this evaluation have been equipped by others for evaluation/evaluation choices. A full itemizing of those devices can be found contained within the Testing Setup half.

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X & Ryzen 7 3700X Unboxing

This 12 months, I’ve a set off earlier packaging to be blissful for AMD. The sooner two generations had been lined whereas I was in Okinawa – and so it was terribly irritating for me to see a market the place pricing was terribly partaking contained within the US nonetheless completely horrible in Japan. There are the rationale why this will often an increasing number of happen that are not inside AMD’s administration. Tariffs every on importing and exporting, alternate costs, transport costs can all play a factor contained within the pricing of any product. So it makes me terribly blissful to take a look at 3700X pricing in Japan and uncover the state of affairs considerably better in 2019 versus the pricing right here within the US.

I inquired about this to a UK purchaser of the 3600 and it appears pricing on was in line with what I seen in Japan. I checked in course of the Intel Core i9-9900Okay to see if the whole factor had modified, nonetheless the discrepancy I’ve well-known for earlier years nonetheless stays. That’s really great data for patrons in every the UK and Japan. Hopefully, that has launched merely as tons good news to those patrons elsewhere.

I nonetheless uncover it exhausting to beat the packaging outfitted initially with Ryzen – the wood self-discipline nonetheless holds a selected place in my room and coronary coronary coronary coronary heart. As with many elements the advertising and selling group has launched extra sophistication to the now-older Ryzen mannequin, and I’m very impressed with the form of this 12 months’s packaging. We did pay cash for one completely different devices similtaneously the Ryzen 7 3700X and Ryzen 9 3900X, a number of of which may be in a single completely completely different evaluation coming shortly. Absolutely completely completely different components may be a part of our exploration on what the 500-series chipset-based motherboards current to those who undertake it.

The packaging for the 3900X initially caught my eye because of the identical message all via the absolutely utterly completely completely different languages. Now understanding the pricing state of affairs has on the very least modified in two compulsory markets makes me happier that this was the route chosen. I hope they proceed this on utterly completely completely different variations contained within the lineup. And whether or not or not or not or not intentional or not, the froth insert that the 3900X was seated in makes an distinctive stand for Ryzen CPUs whereas nonetheless conserving them contained within the defending clear plastic case.  I positively wouldn’t ideas having fairly a number of extra of those spherical for {{{photograph}}} or filming choices.

Two X570 motherboards (AORUS and ASRock), a PCIe SSD (AORUS) and a model new DDR4-3600 memory bundle (G.Functionality) had been obtained nonetheless not used on this preliminary evaluation. Now we have now obtained added pictures of some of them beneath, and chances are you’ll uncover them in use shortly. We may be explaining shortly this evaluation why now we have now obtained not used them in our preliminary benchmarks.

Testing Setup

It took some time to assemble all of the outcomes, nonetheless what was most gorgeous was learning extra about our new check out ambiance. This has led to some delays in ending up this evaluation, nonetheless usually, the checks already carried out have helped organize new components of concern which will streamline our checks lastly. Ambient room temperatures had been severely skewed extreme, inflicting us to think about some parts had been occurring as a consequence of overheating. This resulted in determining a motherboard perform that was meant to be disabled was not, inflicting fairly a number of crashes and failures the place they did not beforehand exist. Our concepts on how we do simple overclocking for opinions was revisited. Components that we had in testing the 9900Okay ultimate 12 months – parts that had been acknowledged nonetheless not confirmed – not solely proved to be the case however along with validated a peculiar option to not submit a evaluation on a product on account of we lacked a way to appropriately check out it.

With all of these packages in ideas, we made fairly a number of choices early on about how testing may very correctly be carried out. All AMD AM4 samples had been examined not on a 500-series motherboard, nonetheless instead on the sooner interval. This allowed us to limit the variables that altering motherboards might introduce all via the testing. After the preliminary data was gathered we carried out a assemble check out on one amongst many new motherboards – which confirmed no identifiable effectivity distinction at stock.

As now we have now obtained achieved with earlier opinions, we are going to organize the half and the best way during which by which it was acquired. We may be itemizing the components by type this time, on account of addition of fairly a number of components. Motherboard BIOS variations are moreover equipped.

Have a look at Bench/Case (All Self-Purchased)

Power Present (All Self-Purchased)


Processor (All equipped by Intel/AMD)


GPU (All Self-Purchased)

M.2 NVMe Storage (All Self-Purchased)

  • Samsung MZ-VLW512A (2 an comparable parts)


Additional Elements (Self-Purchased)

Testing Methodology

As now we have now obtained in earlier testing, our checks are carried out utilizing a publicly obtainable doc. We arrange and examined this on the first AMD processor, then tried to clone it for Intel testing. This did not current reliable outcomes so we instead wiped and re-created using the identical course of. A file is out there in Google Drive to view extra of the notes along with a comparability of the three generations of AMD Ryzen 8-core, 16-thread processors.

  • Working System: Ubuntu 18.04 LTS
  • NVIDIA Drivers – latest nvidia-### obtainable in customary PPAs
  • AMD Drivers – AMDGPU (open current mannequin)

Overclock testing was not carried out on the Threadripper 1950X as a consequence of inconsistent outcomes, even when merely setting on Core Effectivity Improve solely. All utterly completely completely different overclocks had been achieved by multiplier solely to all cores. Our dedication of a safe overclock was solely when all checks handed with no single failure or crash.

Have a look at Outcomes

Benchmark Notes: Phoronix Have a look at Suite’s CPU suite provides a plethora of checks and on no account all are included on this evaluation. The total record of checks and outcomes can be found right here, apart from our LineageOS assemble events. These may be included later contained within the article. Coloration scheme for benchmarks continues to manage to XDA’s regular shade scheme.


AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

That’s pretty very like our earlier findings apart from the 2700X and 9900Okay when overclocked. It’s the one one which carried out greater at stock speeds than at overclock, and that’s odd given the outcomes from this check out improve based mostly totally on the clock velocity. The 9900Okay might have reached a thermal threshold, in distinction to the 2700X that always has parts first in vitality consumption instead of heat.

GZip Compression

AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

GZip is a typical compression technique and so it’s good to try the effectivity right correct proper right here. We proceed to see the outlet decrease between AMD and Intel single thread effectivity, and AMD’s capable of cede some to Intel. Additional cores and the improved overclocks help. The 2700X outcomes at stock are a bit head-scratching and suspected of being an outlier.

SciMark 2 (Java)

AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

The SciMark 2 benchmark makes use of Java for arithmetic operations after which presents scoring based mostly totally on these outcomes. In three generations AMD has closed the outlet in respect to the excellence in effectivity and may shut that even extra when overclocked. The 9900Okay appears to hit one completely completely different thermal prohibit, which is unfortunate given the boosts that the sooner 2 generations current when overclocked.

John The Ripper

AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

On the cryptography entrance, John The Ripper provides associated outcomes as previous to. Additional cores and higher clock speeds have undoubtedly achieved accurately for every AMD and Intel, nonetheless AMD seems to have far more headroom to boost effectivity. Given the 3900X outcomes, it’s going to be very attention-grabbing to see how its bigger brother, the 3950X, will fare in these checks.


AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

C-Ray demonstrates an identical finish end finish end result as in earlier years. I’ve to shock if there may be some optimizations in place to elucidate the effectivity improve over Intel. The need improve seem significantly noteworthy between the first and second generations of AMD Ryzen, whereas in various circumstances that is noticed extra sometimes between second and third interval processors. We do have extra processors that might be examined and added to the lineup, so we hope which can help shed some extra light on the jumps.

Benchmarks: Assemble Effectivity

Assemble Have a look at: LLVM

AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

We did not get outcomes for ImageMagick assemble events on all CPUs. Instead, we are going to try LLVM assemble events, that ought to supply XDA readers some associated information. And this tells a terribly attention-grabbing story given the rise in effectivity evaluating the 2nd and third generations of Ryzen. It has closed the outlet as far as assemble events with its Intel counterpart on stock speeds and takes the lead as clock speeds improve.  Comparable outcomes had been seen in various PTS checks the place compile time was measured. In a number of of them, AMD took the perfect slot, in others, Intel did – nonetheless AMD merely is simply not making an attempt to win all of them.

Assemble Have a look at: LineageOS marlin

LineageOS checks had been carried out using lineageOS 16. Preliminary assemble makes an try had been carried out using the Pixel 3, nonetheless all assemble makes an try failed. Now we have now obtained gone as quickly as further to the Pixel 2 XL (marlin) since these had been establishing with out matter.

AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

Merely as we seen with the LLVM assemble events, AMD has not solely closed the outlet nonetheless outperformed its Intel counterpart. Nevertheless there’s one completely completely different data stage which can present to be terribly priceless to those establishing Android from current.  Two years up to now we regarded on the high-end desktop (HEDT) lineup to see merely how accurately extra cores and threads improved assemble occasions. On the tip of that we noticed that together with extra cores did not ceaselessly result in dramatic

AMD Ryzen 3700X & 3900X: Zen 2 Brings Greater than Merely Cores

The third interval makes a significant impression even on ccache effectivity, allowing it to keep up up inside or beneath the comparative Intel processor. There is a staggering leap between the second and third interval of Ryzen, one which could be attributed to the processor itself equipped that it was the one variable between each AMD processor examined. It moreover would not ponder PCIe effectivity, which might decrease the events even extra.

Final Concepts

That’s merely the opening salvo of the third interval of AMD Ryzen. There may be extra CPUs to take a look at and take into account, culminating contained within the launch of the first mainstream processor with 16 cores and 32 threads. Intel sometimes moreover releases a model new lineup contained within the Fall – we depend on to have these to take a look at as accurately. With that in ideas, we may be holding on a number of of the “big picture” analysis until these arrive on the scene and are capable of be included in our consideration.

On account of it stands, AMD is doing exactly what they talked about their technique was from even the preliminary launch of Ryzen. The aim is to not outperform Intel processors ceaselessly – nonetheless to supply a product that not solely stays aggressive to Intel and does so at a greater value. For the third 12 months in a row, they’ve achieved that. They’ve moreover challenged the established order by rising the cores and threads obtainable to mainstream platforms – which has a significant distinction in worth as in distinction with HEDT functions. That’s the precept time we’ve seen Intel match that rely and there’s no guarantee that they may do it as shortly as extra.

Normally, it’s not good to repeat a message for Three years or extra. AMD’s case and message reveals the exception to the rule. They’ve remained aggressive and help convey greater options to prospects at value ranges that just about any frequent shopper may very correctly be fascinated about.  That signifies that the nice days for patrons are right correct proper right here to stay in the interim. I proceed to laud this, and I do considerably further this time on account of we see that going earlier the borders of the USA and into utterly completely completely different nations. For that greater group of buyers, it’s been prolonged overdue – and so we welcome to the event of high-quality processor options obtainable to easily about every value stage. This was the norm for pretty some time. It’s good to see this being a norm as quickly as as shortly as extra.

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